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Thursday, January 28, 2010

Upcoming Raid Changes

Sated's raid progression has been phenomenal to say the least. Things that were once hard, are now a walk in the park. Ulduar is run for fun and we hardly flinch when entering ToC. Once ICC opened its door's to us in December, our guild has gone in weekly to demolish the first wing (which is practically on farm now, both in 10's and 25's) and we have been hammering at the second wing, gradually making headway.


However, for the past couple of weeks, we seem to have hit a wall when it comes to progression in ICC. Our 10 mans are being made slaves to the Plague Wing and in our 25 man, we make Deathbringer Saurfang fall before us, and then don't dare set foot in the Plague Wing. In order to work past this, we have decided to make a few changes and rules when it comes to Sated Raiding. The goal of this, is to continually progress in ICC, particularly when it comes to our 25 man runs. There is no other way to progress besides putting in the time, these changes and rules work to accomplish just that.


Starting on Tuesday, February 16th we will be running our 25man ICC at 9:15pm. We will pick it up again the following night, once again at 9:15pm. The raids will run till 12:30am and will be ended at this time, regardless of where we are. If we wipe during an attempt at 12:00, we set up to try again. If we wipe at 12:15 or later, we call it a night, to ensure that we do not run past 12:30 (this is all in servertime). 10man ICC runs can be scheduled at any other point during the week as long as it does not conflict with a 25man run.


  • Invites for 25mans will be sent out at 9:00pm sharp. If you wish to participate, you must be on by then. You should not be tied up in a RH, any other instance or doing dailies. If you are, you are expected to leave the groups you are in, and you are expected to use the 15 minutes prior to incoming summons at 9:15pm, to repair, get flasks, get reagents, enchants, gemming and whatever else you need to do to get ready to raid. If you need more that 15 minutes to get ready, plan ahead! You know when invites are going out and you know when you are going to be summoned.
  • If, at 9:15pm, you are not ready to accept your summon, you forfeit your spot in the raid to someone else. We have plenty of people who are more then willing to come and who want to come.
  • We know that on occasion something will come up that may hinder your immediate availability to prep for a raid. If this is the case, it is your responsibility to inform an officer who is partaking in the raid of your circumstances so we can hold your spot for a short time. These cases will be tracked so ensure that no one takes advantage of this. Also, the reason you are giving, will be evaluated by the officers.

There are also going to be rules for AFKing during raids.

  • At no point may a player go afk or "brb" during a raid unless there is an extreme circumstance. This is to ensure that we can dedicate as much time as possible to fights and progression. We all know about the chain of afk's that spring up the second the first one is unleashed.
  • Any afkness will also be tracked. If a pattern of this is found, it is highly likely that the individual will not be asked to raid for a while.
  • We will have designated, timed breaks. These will be for a duration of two minutes after each boss that is downed. In the event that we are stuck at a boss, which is going to happen, a break will be scheduled.
  • A readycheck will be brought up at the two minute mark, and everyone is expected to be ready to hit "Yes". This allows for tracking of afkness and ensures that we are ready to proceed.
  • Resetting computers is going to be lumped in with AFKing. We understand that if you need to restart your computer, you need to restart your computer. However, these will also be tracked to avoid any excessive restarting.

Please keep in mind that this is aimed at allowing Sated to further progress in raiding. Afterall, Sated was created on the grounds of being a Raiding Guild. Meaning, that our primary focus is just that, raiding. Until now, Sated has tried to accommodate its 30+ active raiding members, but it is becoming harder and harder to do, almost daily. When it comes down to it, the reason a WoW player joins a guild, is because the guild has similar goals as that individual and fits their schedule. It is not up to the guild to somehow manage to meet the requirements of ALL of its member, it is simply impossible. We know and acknowledge that this new raiding schedule will not work for all members, and we truly do wish that we could make it work for all of you. But it is time to setup guild standards and to see who is willing to adjust and willing to put in the work.


With this new raiding schedule, there is still plenty of time during the week, and even during raiding days, for guild members to fit in their weekly raids, RHs, dailies, play on alts, PvP or whatever else it is that they wish to do. With this small change we have increased the time spent in our 25man ICC runs from a choppy 4-5 hours to a solid 6.5 hours a week.


Something that is going to come with more time spent raiding harder fights, are wipes. There is going to a wipe, followed by another, and then another. What needs to be taken away from wipes, is the opportunity to improve our strategy and learn from it! Anyone who has set foot in any raid, knows that wipes are going to occur, and that we are going to reach a point where we are seemingly backed into a corner with no way out. The only way to beat the beast that is ICC, is to come back at it kicking, punching and pew pewing! For more on wiping with purpose, you can read a previous post made on this blog titled "The Price of Progression: Wiping with Dignity".


We look forward to making our way through ICC with all of you and making Sated one of the top competitive guilds on Blood Furnace!

35 comments:

  1. Everything looks great to me Chris.

    I'd also suggest if you -know- you have to leave early when you get invited to 25 you should just go ahead and pass the invite to someone else who will be here for the duration of the raid to save down time.

    25 progression is what most of us want so this is a good thing! :)

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  2. its great to see that Sated has grown so much.

    these new rules seem a little harsh imo. but you gotta do what you gotta do to keep the progression plow pushin' i suppose.

    hope to be on to get into a raid or whatever soon. tank, melee or ranged i got something mediocre of what ever you need XD

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  3. looks good, lets do it and have some fun.

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  4. Everything looks great! I've loved my first month in the guild and am looking forward to many more! :)

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  5. I agree. the only thing i would be make sure that you have the most update DBM

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  6. Some comments/questions...

    Only have 12 peeps represented here (incl. Di and Chris), and only 4 aren't officers. I'm not sure what the consequences are for not signing this, but consistency of word and action probably starts with addressing this.

    I thought when we had the officer discussion we decided to raid 25 for one night a week.

    This is all about raiding 25, but I thought we talked about focusing on 10s to get prep'd for 25, yet we're not scheduling those at all. I agree with leaving it up to the individual 10s teams to do that, but they should get scheduled by those team leaders.

    I have a huge problem with people "going afk". But I think the 2 minutes per boss thing is too restrictive, untenable, and misses the point. The issue isn't about going afk per se... it's about people not having an understanding of how they are affecting 24 other people's (or 9, cuz we have this problem in 10s, too) game experience. This is a common courtesy issue, not just an afk issue. It includes going on about this gear or that gear or this website or that website when that stuff has nothing to do with the raid. Instead of picking a set time limit, let's have everyone know that they need to start taking other raider's into account or they will be called-out, left out of a boss fight, and may have loot and/or raid consequences for being rude with respect to wasting others' time.

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  7. Everything changes starting right here, right now.

    Up to this point, we've (I've) been pretty lax when it comes to afk's, waiting for people in heroics, not pushing too hard to plow through content-- truthfully, I play the game for fun, and while some of this is annoying, I just didnt' see any real need to address it until now. I really thought we'd be farther along than than this.

    But, things change; there's a ton of people that enjoy raiding that would like to be further along in terms of progress (including myself). And although seeing the fights on 10 is beneficial, a different synergy is required to be successful with 25 people--and that takes time, and practice (both for the raiders, as well as the leaders).

    These guidelines have been adopted to promote consistency and efficiency; things that the harder-core progression guilds are already accustomed to. This level of dedication is ultimately what will allow us to succeed in this tier of raiding while its current.

    That being said, I understand considerably that there may be times that we "hit a wall" on our second noght of raiding 25's. If that happens, we can do whatever we want-- the important thing is that we set a schedule that promotes dedication and commitment, and stick to it.

    As far as our 10's are concerned--those will be scheduled and coordinated starting ASAP.

    Ultimately, I want our raids to run like well oiled machines. This will start with a strict regimen to see who will sink or swim. Consequences are being postulated now, and will be announced during our first night of raiding on the 16th.

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  8. sounds good i like the more raiding,im pretty sure i fixed my blue screen auto computer reset but i dont want to jix it... oops 2 late :P
    Jangofet

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  9. RagingD .... though I gotta say 2 min is kinda stingey to take a leak, grab a beer... and kiss the girl to fend off her aggro for the night =/

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  10. Sin... Alright got my gm email with all this shit to do to get me back in raids and BLAH long story short ima do it to it then RAID IT TO IT SATED FTW

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  11. Kerberus - I've read and understand.

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  12. Magmas - I love raiding with the guild but its impossible for me to do them on Weekdays. The thing is that Im in Pakistan and the raid timings is almost 8:00am for me i.e. 12 hours time difference. It would be really great if we can do a 10man group on Friday and Saturday.

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  13. yes i understand >flickabic<

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  14. Oh hi, I read this. Kthxbai

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  15. Ebonshade has read this and thoroughly understands it

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  16. Poked in and read this stuff, wheres mah cookie?

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  17. Read it and approbated.

    - Grok

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  18. radioisotope........


    works for me

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  19. Corr, new yet old, and I read 'em

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  20. Yo, I realize that it is far too late in this expansion to rebuild, waiting on Kyle to return has hinder that process as well. I know most of you would like for me to join offically, so, I have decided to drop my tag on Stone to join Sated. I have read the post on raiding requirements and have no problem with it. You all have seemed to grow so much since Honor and Glory that I feel that I am no longer needed, but I would still like the chance to build my once great warrior back up to his full potential.

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  21. Best of luck with the new plan in ICC and carving out a name for Sated ;).

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  22. have read, when i'm available i'd love to help out

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  23. Moonicknight=Daniel

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  24. i know im new and everything but ive been raiding with you guys for a while. everything sounds good chris. feels good to be in a real raiding guild again. BTW noticed the 2v2 pic on the right side.
    Ronordith/redeemur

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